I did watch a fair amount, but I skimmed through it. The only thing that I didn't agree with was when he said that we need to get people voting (or something similar). Voting doesn't make a difference and never has. Trump will be put in again by the powers.
Speaking of Trump, it is sad that the right wing Christians uncritically follow this man. One fellow Christian told me that he was going to give America back to the people (lol). This is what upsets me about the church. They are too uncritically conservative (it doesn't say to be in the Bible).
Joe, I have to disagree. Voting just re-arranges piles of crap. The people don't have any power. If you were to call your politicians, they would just ignore you.
There is a good site out there called Obstruct the Vote:
In the log run you have a point But there is a huge difference, some presidents require more destructive policies than others. While the "good guys" wont do that much to change things they can refrain from doing really bad stuff the bad do all the time. Trump has already destroyed civilization and made a huge difference, from Obama.
Joe, I have to disagree. Voting just re-arranges piles of crap. The people don't have any power. If you were to call your politicians, they would just ignore you.
There is a good site out there called Obstruct the Vote:
But that can't be the case. Even if neither side is perfect, voting can prevent one side from implementing really bad things. If Gore had been elected in 2000, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and de-stabilized the Mid-East, and would have made far more progress on climate change. And it would have changed the make-up of the Supreme Court for the rest of our lives.
7th Stooge: "But that can't be the case. Even if neither side is perfect, voting can prevent one side from implementing really bad things. If Gore had been elected in 2000, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and de-stabilized the Mid-East, and would have made far more progress on climate change. And it would have changed the make-up of the Supreme Court for the rest of our lives."
A fellow Christian used that logic with me when I told him that I don't believe in voting. He said that if the Christians didn't vote, Hillary would have taken our Bibles away (lol).
I appreciate your point, but here's the problem: We don't elect a president. The rich put them in. Our vote doesn't mean squat. That's why Trump is in now. He is a perfect distraction. Also, that's why there has been all of this hullabaloo since 2016 with the "great" Bernie Sanders. He is used as another tool to distract.
A fellow Christian used that logic with me when I told him that I don't believe in voting. He said that if the Christians didn't vote, Hillary would have taken our Bibles away (lol).
what Trump is doing is fact, It is proven empirically, its not speculation. We have to have him out of there.
I appreciate your point, but here's the problem: We don't elect a president. The rich put them in. Our vote doesn't mean squat. That's why Trump is in now. He is a perfect distraction. Also, that's why there has been all of this hullabaloo since 2016 with the "great" Bernie Sanders. He is used as another tool to distract.
the Dems tend to elect better presidents than the repubs, because the repubs just want power. the Dems have some values.
I appreciate your point, but here's the problem: We don't elect a president. The rich put them in. Our vote doesn't mean squat. That's why Trump is in now. He is a perfect distraction. Also, that's why there has been all of this hullabaloo since 2016 with the "great" Bernie Sanders. He is used as another tool to distract.
How can the rich put Bernie Sanders in when he doesn't take any PAC or corporate money? All of his donors are small donors like you and me. No candidate is perfect, but that's no argument for letting "the perfect be the enemy of the good." To equate someone like Trump, who is awash in corporate and foreign dark money, with Sanders who's being funded solely by small transparent donations, makes absolutely no sense, and is a perfect case of 'easy cynicism'.
My Dad (who passed away last June) was a Democrat because he said that they approved such things like Social Security. However, FDR never would have passed that law if there weren't massive strikes and protests at the time:
Also, there are people out there like me who are disenchanted with the current system because it doesn't work for the people. One of them is Deb Della Piana (look up that name on You Tube). She does several videos, and has a live stream every Sunday for a site called Become Ungovernable:
Of course politicians are motivated by public opinion, strikes and protests, but do you really think it would have made no difference if Hoover had been re-elected in '32 rather than FDR? No matter what political arrangement is achieved, it will be seriously flawed and there will be a far better one that can be achieved. I remember somewhere the definition of politics as "the arena of human failure." If Trump is re-elected, this country will be unrecognizable for the rest of our lives and we will probably be on our way to an authoritarian state.
To 7th Stooge: I didn't say that Bernie was going to get in. I said that he was a distraction. And, it wouldn't have made any difference if Hoover was in if people would have striked like they did. Presidents are only a figurehead. We should have found that out after Kennedy (who went against the oligarchs to stop a nuclear war, fired Allen Dulles, and was killed for his trouble).
JB I appreciate your politics but I think you are totally wrong, we need to vote, it will be much less destitution in the long run if we get Trump out.
Presidents are not 'just a distraction.' Look at what FDR did in his first 100 days, initiatives he had promised during his campaign and before any strikes or protests drove him to do them:
And we don't know for certain who or what killed Kennedy. If Presidents are just a distraction, then they wouldn't have had to kill him. You're arguing against yourself. The Presidency wouldn't be the focus of all the money and lobbying pressure it is it it were just a figurehead position. Makes no sense. Power distribution is more complex than that.
But that's just it: Trump won't be put in by voting (if he is, which I believe he will be). The oligarchs elect a president, not us. Americans should have moved on from partisan politics a long time ago. There are a lot of smart people in this nation, and there's no excuse for us staying on the voting train. There should have been a full-scale revolution in this country 12 years ago after the fake WMD's and the recession.
What do you mean when you say "The oligarchs elect a president"? Do you mean they actually manipulate popular opinion, or that they manipulate the vote so that our vote doesn't matter, or that no matter who we elect, they manipulate who actually gets elected, or what? What actual evidence do you have for any of this, other than your own feelings? You're thinking in exactly the lazy, broad-brush way the oligarchic elites want you to think.
7th Stooge "What do you mean when you say "The oligarchs elect a president"? Do you mean they actually manipulate popular opinion, or that they manipulate the vote so that our vote doesn't matter, or that no matter who we elect, they manipulate who actually gets elected, or what? What actual evidence do you have for any of this, other than your own feelings? You're thinking in exactly the lazy, broad-brush way the oligarchic elites want you to think."
Look at 2000 and what happened there (Florida with the hanging chads). You think that was by accident?
I am not going to sign off on their corrupt behavior. And, like I said before, I can't believe that Americans haven't moved on from partisan politics a long time ago.
Joe, we have to get rid of the system. If we don't, we will be enslaved. We can't make things better within the system. Things like voting are a fool's paradise.
The people vastly outnumber the oligarchs. And, if they show that they are serious, the military would likely join the people (they have nothing to gain by defending the government. They are going down as well).
You will never get the right reform within the system. It is the same old corrupt oligarchy.
sorry man, that is screwed it;s a antsy. people are not going to do that we have to let Trump kill people year after year while waiting for bull shit when we could just vote him out,
Voting is just sheeple activity. It isn't in the same league as protesting (like they are doing in Ohio right now).
Americans seem to see the government as some sacred entity that can't be taken out. That line of thinking has to stop, or the people may end up in concentrations camps with guns in their faces on a regular basis.
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Voting is just sheeple activity. It isn't in the same league as protesting (like they are doing in Ohio right now).
That is a truly ignorant pinon. Vast changes have been wrought in American history because of the vote do some reading. 1965 civil rights act. 1932 the new deal, 69 LBJ retires.
Americans seem to see the government as some sacred entity that can't be taken out. That line of thinking has to stop, or the people may end up in concentrations camps with guns in their faces on a regular basis.
that just got is provender in Michigan. Repubs would not change the election because they thought Dems would not risk their lives and would stay home.The Dems voted in droves and hot new state Supe court.
Look at the lesson of how we have saved health care since Trump has been in,That was because we have the club of the vote to hold over his head,
"David Cay Johnston 'It’s Worse Than You Think: What the Trump Administration Is Doing to America'"
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I did watch a fair amount, but I skimmed through it. The only thing that I didn't agree with was when he said that we need to get people voting (or something similar). Voting doesn't make a difference and never has. Trump will be put in again by the powers.
Speaking of Trump, it is sad that the right wing Christians uncritically follow this man. One fellow Christian told me that he was going to give America back to the people (lol). This is what upsets me about the church. They are too uncritically conservative (it doesn't say to be in the Bible).
There is a good site out there called Obstruct the Vote:
Obstruct The Vote
There is a good site out there called Obstruct the Vote:
But that can't be the case. Even if neither side is perfect, voting can prevent one side from implementing really bad things. If Gore had been elected in 2000, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and de-stabilized the Mid-East, and would have made far more progress on climate change. And it would have changed the make-up of the Supreme Court for the rest of our lives.
A fellow Christian used that logic with me when I told him that I don't believe in voting. He said that if the Christians didn't vote, Hillary would have taken our Bibles away (lol).
I appreciate your point, but here's the problem: We don't elect a president. The rich put them in. Our vote doesn't mean squat. That's why Trump is in now. He is a perfect distraction. Also, that's why there has been all of this hullabaloo since 2016 with the "great" Bernie Sanders. He is used as another tool to distract.
what Trump is doing is fact, It is proven empirically, its not speculation. We have to have him out of there.
I appreciate your point, but here's the problem: We don't elect a president. The rich put them in. Our vote doesn't mean squat. That's why Trump is in now. He is a perfect distraction. Also, that's why there has been all of this hullabaloo since 2016 with the "great" Bernie Sanders. He is used as another tool to distract.
the Dems tend to elect better presidents than the repubs, because the repubs just want power. the Dems have some values.
How can the rich put Bernie Sanders in when he doesn't take any PAC or corporate money? All of his donors are small donors like you and me. No candidate is perfect, but that's no argument for letting "the perfect be the enemy of the good." To equate someone like Trump, who is awash in corporate and foreign dark money, with Sanders who's being funded solely by small transparent donations, makes absolutely no sense, and is a perfect case of 'easy cynicism'.
New Democracy World: New Deal
Also, there are people out there like me who are disenchanted with the current system because it doesn't work for the people. One of them is Deb Della Piana (look up that name on You Tube). She does several videos, and has a live stream every Sunday for a site called Become Ungovernable:
Become Ungovernable
Nick Greco is another person that is fed up with the system. He has a You Tube site called Advocates for Direct Democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_100_days_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt%27s_presidency
And we don't know for certain who or what killed Kennedy. If Presidents are just a distraction, then they wouldn't have had to kill him. You're arguing against yourself. The Presidency wouldn't be the focus of all the money and lobbying pressure it is it it were just a figurehead position. Makes no sense. Power distribution is more complex than that.
Look at 2000 and what happened there (Florida with the hanging chads). You think that was by accident?
Also, what about this:
Wikispooks: Rothschilds Caught Rigging the US Presidential Election
And, when you vote, you are approving the dirty behavior of the politicians:
Medium: Why I Don't Vote & Maybe You Shouldn't, Either
I am not going to sign off on their corrupt behavior. And, like I said before, I can't believe that Americans haven't moved on from partisan politics a long time ago.
Secondly yo still have not tumbled to the realization of how many thousands Trump kills each year.We have to get them out of office..
And, by getting rid of the system, you will get rid of Trump as a part of it.
You will never get the right reform within the system. It is the same old corrupt oligarchy.
Americans seem to see the government as some sacred entity that can't be taken out. That line of thinking has to stop, or the people may end up in concentrations camps with guns in their faces on a regular basis.
Voting is just sheeple activity. It isn't in the same league as protesting (like they are doing in Ohio right now).
That is a truly ignorant pinon. Vast changes have been wrought in American history because of the vote do some reading. 1965 civil rights act. 1932 the new deal, 69 LBJ retires.
Americans seem to see the government as some sacred entity that can't be taken out. That line of thinking has to stop, or the people may end up in concentrations camps with guns in their faces on a regular basis.
that just got is provender in Michigan. Repubs would not change the election because they thought Dems would not risk their lives and would stay home.The Dems voted in droves and hot new state Supe court.
Look at the lesson of how we have saved health care since Trump has been in,That was because we have the club of the vote to hold over his head,
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